Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

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Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:12 pm

It is a hassle to use the more advance space mouse devices with Zbrush, as pushing ctl + shif+ alt makes the setting window appear and messes with your stylus window mapping.

I bought the SpaceMouse® Enterprise hoping to use it for Zbrush but there are a few things that make it almost impossible to work with.

the main problem is that every time you push crtl + shift + alt (to hide parts of the mesh for example) the settings windows pops up, this by itself is already a problem, but it also makes it the active window, forcing your stylus configuration to change, including your monitor mapping.

The way I found to tolerate this problem was to map the same monitor used for Zbrush to the 3DxSmartUi window, this way, whenever the menu pops up, at least I stay in the same monitor and can more or less be ignore.

Is there a way to disable window pop up? or at least to not make it the active window, this way you can just ignore it if pops up.

Another important feature in Zbrush is the use of Shift while rotating the view to snap the camera, this doesn't work with the spacemouse, so you have to press shift and move the cursor off the model and drag.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by luping » Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:34 am

So far,switch to SpaceMouse Pro Wireless or Pro.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:39 am

Spacemouse pro would have the same problem as the enterprise, pushing ctrl+shift+alt makes the settings window pop up an disapear, making it IMPOSSIBLE to work with Zbrush... I simply cannot understand who designed the drivers, and who said it was possible to use it for Zbrush... a lot of the functionality of Zbrush is unusable.

As for the spacemouse basic, it only has to buttons, making it impractical for zbrush, and if it did have three buttons, it would have the same problem.


As it is today, no Spacemouse product is actually usable for Zbrush.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:03 pm

I just realized that it is not the the ctr+shift+alt that causes the settings window to appear.

I had remapped those keys to the esc + enter+ tab buttons on the enterprise spacemouse due to convenience.
What seems to cause the window to appear is pressing these specific buttons.

I remapped the keys as they are originally on the device and it no longer causes the problem.

It is not convenient, but at least it is usable

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by ngomes » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:39 am

vaell wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:03 pm
I just realized that it is not the the ctr+shift+alt that causes the settings window to appear.

I had remapped those keys to the esc + enter+ tab buttons on the enterprise spacemouse due to convenience.
What "settings window" and what are "those keys"?

If the user press-and-holds one of the programmable keys (those labelled "1" through "12"), then the driver will display the On-Screen Display (OSD) panel. If you want to get rid of this panel, then open 3Dconnexion Properties (with ZBrush still in focus), open the "Buttons" panel and tick the check box to disable the OSD panel.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:47 am

It is NOT the on-screen display

If you press on the enterprise model the buttons ESC + Enter + Tab, a window will pop up called "3Dconnexion properties" and will become the active window. If you press those three buttons again it will disappear, if you press them again it will reappear and become the active window again....

I do not see any way to disable or change it.

It is a shame, because mapping those keys to the Ctr, Shift and Alt commands is the most comfortable way to use the space mouse in Zbrush.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by jwick » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:24 am

I confirmed if you press certain combinations of SME hardware keys you do get an extra key presssed.
In your case the SME Esc+Tab+Enter keys press those keys and also a button 1 is sent.
The button 1 is the Menu key, so the driver thinks you are pressing the Menu key and toggles the GUI.

The same does not happen if you map shift+ctrl+alt to Esc+Tab+Enter.

While I track that down, you can remap the Menu key in the GUI to do something else in ZBrush (e.g. Disabled). The real Menu key won't work either (in ZBrush). You can assign another key to bring up the "Properties..." panel, or use the systray icon, or the Start Menu.

Sorry for the confusion. It will be interesting to track this one down.

If Shift+Ctrl+Alt is a common operation, you should be able to make a macro that does that with one button.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:24 am

Thank you Jwick, The information you gave me was very helpful!!!

I disabled the menu key and now nothing unexpected happens when I press the buttons marked Esc + Enter + Tab together.

Zbrush requires the use of Shift, Ctrl and Alt in a fast and dynamic way, having them mapped to those easy to reach buttons seems the best way to use the space mouse.

Making a macro specifically for Shift+Ctrl+Alt would break the rhythm of how Zbrush is used.

Thanks again, I was trying other button mapping options but none seemed as useful.

Cheers

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by vaell » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:27 am

Even if I map Esc, Enter and Tab buttons to the Shift, Crtl and Alt function, the Menu button is activated.
Not sure why it didn't happened when you mapped it.

So For me it was necessary to disable the Menu button altogether.

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Re: Zbrush NEEDS to use crt + shift + alt (disable popup settings window)

Post by jwick » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:50 am

Interesting. What is the serial number of your device? I'll see if there was a hardware change between mine (pre-production) and yours.

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