macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by maun » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:11 am

Hi
After upgrade to Big Sur is my CadMouse unusable. No buttons working. I Tried two peaces, same issues.
My Space Mouse Pro is OK.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by zoomer » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:22 pm

Not only that it is confirmed that original CADMouse USB does currently
not work with Big Sur. But if I get that right it was also confirmed that
the original CADMouse will never ever run with Big Sur.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:39 pm

Hi zoomer,
zoomer wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:22 pm
But if I get that right it was also confirmed that
the original CADMouse will never ever run with Big Sur.
Not quite right. If you look in the FAQ page you can see that we have enabled CadMouse Wireless support through a firmware update.

We don't know if we cannot support the original CadMouse. As the page mentions, currently it is not supported.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by zoomer » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:55 pm

Sorry, the "original" (first) (USB) CADMouse was mentioned deprecated in original Beta Driver FAQs.
The thing I bought directly after release with my Enterpride+CADMouse+Mousepad Kit.

AFAIK
the CADMouse Wireless came much later, so far from "original CADMouse"
Yes, I see the wireless sibling is added to supported devices list.
But until now I only heard original USB CADMouse will not work and I understood
the discussions as it never will.

So if now there came a new possibility to also add support for oCADMouse by
Firmeware Update or other, the better.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:07 pm

zoomer wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:55 pm
Sorry, the "original" (first) (USB) CADMouse was mentioned deprecated in original Beta Driver FAQs.
I believe the term used was "unsupported". In the particular case of the original CadMouse, the buttons won't work with or without an installed.
the CADMouse Wireless came much later, so far from "original CADMouse"
The original CadMouse is a wired device (cable only) launched in 2015. The CadMouse Wireless was 3Dconnexion's wireless normal mouse and was launch two years later in 2017.
But until now I only heard original USB CADMouse will not work and I understood
the discussions as it never will.
The CadMouse is currently not supported on macOS 11 "Big Sur". We don't know if we can enable support.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:14 pm

Refer to this post for our earlier statements on this matter:
ngomes wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:18 am
But that isn't the case for the CadMouse (wired) and CadMouse Wireless (CMW). These aren't supported now and we just don't know if we can restore functionality in the new operating system version.

We did try to avoid dropping support for the original CadMouse, the CMW and CadMouse (any type) over Universal Receiver but we weren't able to do so before the release of macOS 11.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by zoomer » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:22 pm

ngomes wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:07 pm
zoomer wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:55 pm
Sorry, the "original" (first) (USB) CADMouse was mentioned deprecated in original Beta Driver FAQs.
I believe the term used was "unsupported". In the particular case of the original CadMouse, the buttons won't work with or without an installed.
the CADMouse Wireless came much later, so far from "original CADMouse"
The original CadMouse is a wired device (cable only) launched in 2015. The CadMouse Wireless was 3Dconnexion's wireless normal mouse and was launch two years later in 2017.
But until now I only heard original USB CADMouse will not work and I understood
the discussions as it never will.
The CadMouse is currently not supported on macOS 11 "Big Sur". We don't know if we can enable support.

OK,
I think I got it now.

oCADMouse was not officially deprecated with Big Sur and following Apple OSs.
Just that it is currently not supported at this time.
But no quarantee that this will change ...
So let's hope.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:36 pm

zoomer wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:22 pm
CADMouse was not officially deprecated with Big Sur and following Apple OSs.
Just that it is currently not supported at this time.
But no quarantee that this will change ...
So let's hope.
That's exactly right.

We have working to enable support since we were aware a critical component (kernel extensions) was deprecated and likely unavailable in macOS 11. We relied on a kernel extension to work around what we believe is a limitation or bug in the operating system introduced in macOS 10.10. The deprecation of kernel extensions was announced by Apple during the WWDC in 2019.

Without a kernel extension, we could not support the original CadMouse and CadMouse Wireless at the launch of macOS 11 "Big Sur". We were also unable to use "system extensions" (DriverKit extensions or "dext"), Apple's replacement for kernel extensions.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by zoomer » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:04 pm

Thanks @ngomes.

there were previous posts over the Mac sub forum that I misunderstood as
"we are working on a KEXT-less driver with Apple API and can support most
other devices, but especially not that original CADMouse"

My Enterprise and my original Space Navigator seem to work fine in the
3DConnexion Demos and a few of Apps, which is something different
and looks easier to solve opposed to my oCADMouse with Big Sur not even
able to recognize basic 3 button mouse clicks.

So let's hope o'CADMouse will work with the final driver again too.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by Jamoran » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:03 am

Hi.
I tried this Beta Driver without any success. The only reaction was some movings of the cursor (via Bluetooth?).
There is obviously no connection to the dongle.
I would appreciate a very quick solution.
Thanks.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:40 am

3Dconnexion has released firmware v. 1.11 for the CadMouse Wireless, restoring button functionality in macOS 11.

Refer to the FAQ page here and click on the "requires firmware version 1.11 or newer" link.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:04 am

3Dconnexon released "beta 8" (revision r3277) of the new driver for macOS. The new build can be downloaded from the FAQ page linked here.

Among other fixes, we believe to have resolved the Cinema 4D issue (MAC-241) and to close the issue we only confirmation from our customers.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by baugestalt » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:29 am

confirmed, vectorworks is working again.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by ngomes » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:19 am

baugestalt wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:29 am
confirmed, vectorworks is working again.
Thank you for the confirmation, baugestalt.

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Re: macOS Big Sur - Beta Driver Available

Post by mudden_swe » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:49 am

"3DxWareMac_v10-7-0_r3277" beta driver.
I can confirm full functionality and good performance with Autodesk Fusion 360 on Macbook Pro 16", MacOS Big Sur and the wired SpaceMouse Pro.
Thank you for a quick solution!

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